More Leiter
June 4, 2009
I should have figured this might have happened, but I recently received an email responding to my recent post by the man himself, Dr. Brian Leiter. Here it is:
Dear Mr. Burns,
A disadvantage of having a large blog readership is that readers often send me links “of interest,” including your long posting of June 2.
Ordinarily, one doesn’t publish e-mail correspondence without permission, but be that as it may, it is clear you took offense at our correspondence, which I regret, though I am disappointed by the way you chose to handle this.
I did not post your subsequent comment on the blog precisely because I did not want to cause a graduate student embarrassment on the Internet. It would behoove you to realize that your perception of things from Dundee is not everyone else’s informed perception, and you would have done yourself harm, rather than good, by having your views on this particular subject recorded on my blog.
It is unfortunate that in your anger you also chose to insult Michael Rosen. Rosen took his DPhil in philosophy at Oxford with Charles Taylor, wrote a book on Hegel early in his career, but is best-known for important work on the Frankfurt School. If in fact his work, and its importance, is not known at Dundee, that would surprise me. He was hired to cover 19th- and 20th-century Continental social and political theory at Harvard, the position held previously by Seyla Benhabib.
I am sorry for having caused offense.
Best wishes,
Brian Leiter
So my favorite part is clearly when I’m told that he didn’t post my comment on his blog to protect me from embarrassment. What does that even mean? I clearly had no problem posting what I had tried to say on my own blog, and have no idea why saying that a few online journals are in fact quite reputable would lead to embarrassment on my behalf. And how would I be harming myself by simply saying that to those of us working in contemporary continental philosophy, these journals are in fact useful and important? It also seems as if he is implying that my institution of study is somehow sub-standard due to my personal opinions on these matters.
I do, however, recognize my comments in regards to Michael Rosen may seem a bit rude, and I will admit that I am not familiar with his work, at all. He is likely very good at what he does, but I stand by my claim that he is by no means an important figure in recent European philosophy, and that he is surely not more notable than many of the figures Leiter previously disregarded.
Besides any regret I have for painting Rosen in an unfair light, I completely stand by my original claims. In an attempt to confront me and ‘apologize’ he managed to insult me a bit more. I have been lucky to come in contact with many well known and notable philosophers who have treated myself, and other students, with an un-necessary amount of respect and kindness, and thus, see no reason to excuse this blatant condescension and disregard on the account of Leiter having a popular blog. I’ve seen philosophers ten times his stature treat students in a kind and charitable fashion, this is just ridiculous.
Also, he had the time to email Graham as well, you can see their interaction here. The Limbaugh of analytic philosophy indeed…
June 4, 2009 at 3:01 am
What a deeply unpleasant character this Leiter guy is. Instead of being honest about his own ignorance when it comes to the cutting edge of Continental thought, he persists in a passive-aggressive campaign against a graduate student. How unprofessional and how unbecoming. The philosophers and journals you mention are, of course, exceptionally influential in Continental philosophy, and the bitter irony in all of this is that a number of the names you mention are precisely bridging the Continental/analytic divide in ways far more exciting than the dogmatic sectarianism of Leiter et. al. could ever envisage. That this guy needed to enter into the obsessive-compulsive and politically questionable act of compiling league table after league table to make his name rather says it all I think.
Take a whiff of Leiter’s ignorant anti-Continentalism and then read a book as refreshing as Lee Braver’s ‘A Thing of This World’, a book which finds commonality by precisely disregarding such facile and uninformed divisions. Which is, of course, to say nothing of the ’speculative realists’, Graham Harman principle among them, who are engaging with contemporary science in a way that few if any analytics seem to have the guts to attempt. Just know you’re on the side of the angels on this one my friend – bullies like Leiter will bluster and bluster but they’ll never make up for their small mindedness.
June 4, 2009 at 10:40 am
[...] regarding Derrida’s death. Not to be outdone, Leiter sends off retorts to Graham as well as Michael (the postgrad student). It’s great to stand one’s ground, however name-dropping and [...]
June 4, 2009 at 7:22 pm
You aren’t the only graduate student he’s gone after. He’s dismissed me in the past as “disrespectful,” “ignorant,” and “arrogant” for suggesting that his “PGR” doesn’t take sociological factors into account. For instance, reproduction of power structures, how prestige is able to maintain itself over time, how less prestigious departments will emulate more prestigious departments – all of which will lead to the reproduction of the status quo and destroy diversity in thought and approach because diverse thoughts and approaches are, by definition, less prestigious. He also seemed to take particular offense to my suggestion that his positivism and ignorance of power dynamics was repulsive and sad for a Nietzsche “scholar.” He also told me that my posts on the deaths of my pets were “unscholarly.” (Note: he’s never read my academic work, yet he’s able to determine that my work isn’t scholarly on the basis of caring for my animals.) Oh, and he took particular exception to my saying once that people like him is a significant reason why I pursued social/political theory rather than philosophy.
Short of it: he’s arrogant, ill-informed and, because he doesn’t desire to correct either his lack of information and excessive arrogance, he’s ignorant. He’s a vulgar careerist of the worst sort who has no actual interest in thought.
Don’t worry too much about him!
June 4, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Leiter is a prat. Behoove? The tone of that e-mail was patronising from start to finish. You are right to say Rosen is not vastly important – while I respect Taylor (and indeed Hegel) this is hardly the bleeding edge of research into continental thought.
June 5, 2009 at 1:09 am
[...] Leiter debacle has got me thinking. (If you’re unaware, catch up here, here, here, here, and here.) Why exactly was Leiter so threatened at the mention of currents in European philosophy [...]
June 5, 2009 at 4:43 am
Who is this Brian Leiter character?
June 5, 2009 at 5:15 am
I recently had the honor of having a comment refused at Leiter Reports for deigning to point out that there are, in fact, analytic philosophers, even analytic philosophers who Leiter purports to respect, who take the notion of animal suffering seriously.
June 5, 2009 at 12:23 pm
who is this brian leiter charecter |?
June 5, 2009 at 5:40 pm
In which post did Leiter “discuss” animals? I recall a post taking a swipe at Singer a few months back, but nothing specific about animal ethics – except the usual canard that any concern for animals will lead to perverse consequences.
June 5, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Craig,
I believe we’re referring to the same post.
http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2009/04/more-strangeness-about-philosophy-in-the-ny-times.html
This was the line (definitely not a discussion) that I was responding to:
Singer and Bentham (as Mr. Kristof note) may both agree, “The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?,” but it is quite clear that most citizens, and most moral philosophers, do not agree.
My refused comment pointed out that there were ways to think about animal ethics other than Singer’s “hedonic libertarianism”, asked why current norms should constitute the last word in these matters, and referred to the collection Philosophy and Animal Life, with its contributions from Diamond, McDowell, and Hacking, as an example of real/serious/major/Leiter-approved philosophers thinking through these questions.
June 5, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Thanks, I assumed it was that post, but I wasn’t sure. “Most moral philosophers” may not agree, but most scientists *do* agree and all people working on animals in philosophy *do* agree (including those who reject that the suffering of animals is of moral significance). This lack of agreement speaks to serious problems in mainstream ethics and moral philosophy-let’s call it the moral depravity of moral philosophy-not to mention the ethical consciousness of citizens. (Since when do the unwashed, unphilosophical plebes count for anything in Leiter’s world anyway? Apparently when it is convenient.) Again, Leiter is misinformed. Hardly a surprise! But this is beside the point (although a symptom): viz., his pattern of bullying graduate students and attacking entire disciplines.
June 5, 2009 at 11:52 pm
I’m heartened to see so many animal-lovers in the room.
He mocked Craig for blogging about the death of his pets? That’s pathetic and despicable. But following the Derrida incident, I am not surprised.
June 13, 2009 at 1:47 am
Hmmm, this thread isn’t quite as amusing as the other one. I did not mock Craig “for blogging about the death of his pets.” Craig is a liar (as well as a total philosophical ignoramus–anyone interested should look up some of his interactions with John Holbo on ‘Crooked Timber’). Why Craig feels the need to lie this way, I’m not sure. Anyone can visit Mr. MacFarlane’s blog to see the kind of garbage he’s written about me. What did he expect me to do: send him a note of thanks?
Mr. Goodman, if I didn’t publish your comment (assuming I even received it, I don’t always), I assume it was because it was tangential to the subject of the thread.
June 13, 2009 at 4:24 am
Mr. Leiter, it is true that I should have acknowledged the possibility that you may not have received my comment. Above, I summarize the submitted comment, quote the line from your post that I was responding to, and link to your original post so you (and others) may judge whether it was tangential or not. I will concede that my tone was more critical (although not uncivil) than any other of the many responses to your post.
June 13, 2009 at 7:16 am
Is calling someone a liar liable?